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Zabe · Jan 03, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Automated Tournament ladders for GvG and 1v1 will reactivate at Noon Pacific time (-8 GMT) on Friday, January 4, 2008. After the reactivation, combatants and guilds that have not played in a rated match for more than 90 days will be reverted to the rank "N/A" and removed from their respective ladders. Their rating points, however, will not be lost or changed. Once inactive guilds and players return and participate in a rated match, their ranks will return to the ladder positions warranted by their ratings.

This is a new's copy from www.guildwars.com website. So they finally did what we asked, there is ladder hibernation.

Discuss.

blood seeker · Jan 03, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

it's great, all i have to say.

Shendaar · Jan 03, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

Sounds like a good solution to me.

Blame the Monks · Jan 03, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Any bets on how many active guilds there will be left? I predict less than 200 guilds with over 1000 rating.

Ec]-[oMaN · Jan 03, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Does the 90 day clause activate tomorrow, or will it consider 90 days prior to tomorrow?

Zabe · Jan 03, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

What I can think there shouldn't be a reason to it to not work immediatly.

Andrew Patrick · Jan 03, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Glad you like the change.

Zabe · Jan 03, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick

Glad you like the change.

While you are here, can you answer the question that does the 90 day hibernation stay immediatly, or does it take 3 months to start take effect?

Winstar · Jan 03, 2008, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Zabe

While you are here, can you answer the question that does the 90 day hibernation stay immediatly, or does it take 3 months to start take effect?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Wyat Hawke · Jan 03, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

It sounds to me like it's going to be 3 months from now, but yeah, Andrew are you still there? We would very much like a confirmation

Snype · Jan 03, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I disagree, it sounds like it will consider all guilds that haven't played for 90 days immediately after the change and will continue taking guilds off as time goes on.

Wyat Hawke · Jan 03, 2008, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Snype

I disagree, it sounds like it will consider all guilds that haven't played for 90 days immediately after the change and will continue taking guilds off as time goes on.

Which gives us an even better incentive to drag Andrew back into this forum.

-AAAAndrew, are you still there?!

(voice of Sybil Fawlty)

red orc · Jan 03, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

The best news I've seen since the introduction of observe mode.

GG Anet !

Andrew Patrick · Jan 03, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Guild hibernation will be retroactive.

erk · Jan 03, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

90 days is a bit soft, I would have made it less but it's better than nothing. Most of the ladder problems are the guilds that made their way onto it by using a greater Q value than what is available now on the general ladder. They pushed up the overall rating in "good times" and many parked there. It's very hard nowadays for a guild to get up to the same rating with the extremely low current Q value unless they AT, and most guilds don't AT. Merely preserving their rating until next play does not address this rating creep issue the legacy of which goes back before the introduction of AT's when the general ladder Q was much higher, only a proper reset or rating decay system will address that problem.

Damus · Jan 03, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

I agree that 90 days is a bit soft... I was thinking that something like 45 days, or even 30 days would better address the issue.

Billiard · Jan 03, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by erk

90 days is a bit soft, I would have made it less but it's better than nothing. Most of the ladder problems are the guilds that made their way onto it by using a greater Q value than what is available now on the general ladder. They pushed up the overall rating in "good times" and many parked there. It's very hard nowadays for a guild to get up to the same rating with the extremely low current Q value unless they AT, and most guilds don't AT. Merely preserving their rating until next play does not address this rating creep issue the legacy of which goes back before the introduction of AT's when the general ladder Q was much higher, only a proper reset or rating decay system will address that problem.

The ladder reset early 2007 and all of the guilds on the ladder now have used the same K value, there are no legacy issues. A lot of guilds may have gotten on the ladder via ATs, but there is nothing to prevent folks from doing that now.

RCProtFTW · Jan 03, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I think more information is needed.

If all it takes is 1 gvg per 90 days to keep your guild from being eaten by the N/A Monster then people will more than likely invite 3 alt accounts into a inactive guild, gvg and at minute 2 resign spike.
O look our guild is now back on the ladder.

if the threshold is going to be 90 days, then what is the requirement for coming out of N/A?

please not 1 match. that seems kinda pointless, imo

erk · Jan 03, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Billiard

The ladder reset early 2007 and all of the guilds on the ladder now have used the same K value, there are no legacy issues. A lot of guilds may have gotten on the ladder via ATs, but there is nothing to prevent folks from doing that now.

To the best of my knowledge there has not been a ladder reset since the introduction of AT's when the general ladder K value was lowered to 5.

Andrew can you confirm this?

Um Yeah · Jan 03, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

There was a ladder reset right at the introduction of the current rating system. You can be sure that every guild on the ladder got there using the current rating system.